1) A white "37" painted on the stock. Yet again, once the sequence of numbers caped out letter prefixes were used to start the sequence over. I sniper variants. No4 rifles were given a starting number that may be used to identify manufacturers, but again there was no set serial blocks. All Enfield Rifles below are proofed and shoot ready. The last year observed on these sights using the SM mark is 1943 as per the right hand example, then the S69 code is used - again on major components (sight ladder (top left of the face), cursor (left side), elevation screw (top) and elevations screw nut (back). 4 Mk. Date of Manuf: II* bayonets. The new model became the Magazine, Lee Enfield Mk1 or MLE Mk1 in 1895. 0000000756 00000 n How to Use Classifieds - PLEASE READ FIRST ! 4 Mk. In the case of Savage Stevens the serial numbers began with a 0C1 and for Long Branch 0L1, these serials progressed in sequence directly relating the serial number to the number of rifles produced. Adopted by the British Army in 1939 the No.4 came into full production during the height of World War 2. The socket was forged by Viners Ltd. The box label indicates that these were packed November 1963, at the 5th Storage Depot. by Steve Hoog 23 Mar 2012, 15:17, Post First debuted in November 1895 as the .303 calibre, Rifle, Magazine, Lee-Enfield, the rifle has still found use today in military, sporting and ceremonial roles - over one hundred years since its inception in its original form. 1 rifle), but changes were made to the. The safety latch style and M47C mark and the SM marked rear sight as as the 1945 examples above. Manufacturers in North America did not use Dispersal Codes. An example would be: rifle serial number 52C2689 would be the 522,689th rifle produced by Savage Stevens. This is one of the most frequently (attempted) reproduced / forged marks of all the No4T marks. 4 Mk. 4Mk. . An average example runs about $375 in very good condition at the time of this writing. Mills Webbing Prototype (Reproduction) Sling. (45mm.) For the rifles produced in North America, American black walnut was consistently used, with birch used as a substitute when walnut was not available. Israeli domestic made scope brackets are unique. Mine only have the serial number (single letter, five numbers) on the butt socket. Prior to the Great War (World War One, WWI, 1914-1919), the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield (SMLE) left the factory with a buttstock marking disc, a small, removable piece of brass inletted into the right side of the buttstock; a place for the Unit Armourer to stamp a unit identification. BO 12151 (the five digit no. by gruff27 23 Mar 2012, 11:37, Post The serial would be correct for early 1944 if it started with a "3" - was the "1" added somewhere else? Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 Serial Numbers. Savage was the only other maker to follow Singer's pattern of marking the spring plunger. The No. Milled micrometer iron sight. UKSkennerton's Arms and Militaria Press. There must have been a lot of them to survive 2 world wars and all the action and attrition they were exposed to. The butt stock itself is a n early war Sykes Limited Normal length piece - much like the original it replaced. 2. That`s a No4 Mk1* made by Savage for England in the days of WW 2. I* (T) were the standard WWII sniper rifles for the British and for the Commonwealth, except for Australia. The other details such as maker, model, and FTR are on the left side of the receiver, either very lightly stamped, or engraved with an electric pencil. I read that BO would indicate early 1944. The rear sights were also switched out for Singer Machine marked and made parts (interestingly not marked S67 yet even this late in production and supply). The first photo below is of a Hollands installed cheek piece on a 1944 scopeless rifle - its position, form and fit is per the as-new standard. Essentially both types of sling present 3 loops, to form a better control on the stance with the firearm to hold and return to a sighting zero (natural point of aim) - I have personally experienced this in CMP competitions, where sling use during rapid fire is essential. Then after the lessons and material losses of the BEF in Europe, the No4T was hurried into existence and the 1907 USA leather slings were applied to it as standard equipment. 4 rifles and bayonets after Belgium was liberated in September 1944. Nice rifle regardless That was my original though, I know I wont get a 100g% sure answer I'm just looking for most likely. Lee Enfield No4 Mk* Long Branch 1944 - SOLD No4 Mk1 Fazakerley 1944 Serial KC25154 - Sold No4 Mk1 Maltby 1942 Serial M10655 - Sold No4 Mk1* Sterling 7.62mm Conversion - Sold AIA Lee Enfield M10-A1 Cal: 7.62x39mm - Sold Long Branch No4 Mk1* 1950 - Long Butt - SOLD No4 Mk1 7.62mm - SOLD No4 Mk1 BSA 1942 - Sold No4 Mk1 Fazakerley 1942 - Sold $799.00 . This article, "Exploded View: Lee-Enfield No. Barrel is 24 inch, five groove 1:10 right hand rifling. These included a number of folding bayonets intended to remain fixed to the rifle. Unlike other makers of No. When these rifles were refurbished in the factory, they were given a second black oxidizing or they were painted with a matte or semigloss black paint in the spots where the original finish had worn off. I was beautifully made, with its distinctive cruciform blade. The No. Springfield Model 1795 Type IV Musket with State of New York Markings, US$1,600. This rifle retained most of the overall design feature of the earlier model, including the 30 barrel length. You are using an out of date browser. The example pictured at left also carries the Canadian "broad arrow" mark, indicating acceptance into Canadian service. Parker Hale PH5DC Lee Enfield No4 rear sight and PH 'FS2A' foresight. It was a further simplification and cut down on both material costs and machine time in its construction, much as the No. II* (pronounced: number four, mark two, star) was a further simplified version, with the socket and blade two separate forgings. [35] . 30,000 rod forgings. A redesign of the Lee-Metford (adopted by the British Army in 1888), the Lee-Enfield superseded the earlier . Area Code: 443 . Note that not all FTR rifle were converted. 4 Mk. Baird marked their bayonets two different ways: Some No. SMLE Mk1 Forestock. The No. I bayonet was short, light, sturdy, and unappealing. 4 bayonets. starting with a 1) indicates it was manufactured by ROF Maltby in Yorkshire, England. Similarly Savage rifles that are genuine and completed to a fully scoped "T" are rare and early. 4Mk. 2. 2 bids. Nearly 5 million spike bayonets were reported produced. Mine is a 1943. II*, all in the UK: Prince-Smith & Stells, Howard & Bullough, Lewisham Engineering, and the Baird Manufacturing Co. 1.4million No. This mod adds an Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.1 alongside a small quest. I now own one and some of your information is a little off. Here are 2 genuine early Singer produced sights - the SM 41 example was more correct to apply to my 1941 MalTby: Note the all blackened finish - dark and matt - typical of war time efforts at H&H. 0000004885 00000 n Method: 1 ROF (F)- Royal Ordinance Factory, Fazakerley, UK, FY- Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, (F)-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, UF-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, Long Branch- Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, P.O.F.- Pakistan Ordnance Factory, Wah, Pakistan. mark) on a scopeless 1944 BSA. It has been consistently observed but no reason or original documentation found to support it. SPONSORED. Your serial No. 4 Mk. It does appear to have been sent thru a re-furbishing and re-build at some time in its life by all the markings not made by Savage. The Lee Enfield Rifle the conversion of the older out dated Lee. Other than the war time Hollands originals, some of these commercial sling swivels have been retrofitted onto Npo4Ts - probably in private hands. Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1944 No4T on the left and two heavily reworked "sportster" T's (the middle professionally done by Sante Fe) and an American surplus "bubba" on the right. Hollands also wrote the serial number of the rifle in pencil on the inside of the barrel channel on wooden fore end sections - just the serial number and not the letters have been observed. It is essentially an updated N0. 1.5 - Added 200% more memes for all my Brazilian fans. It has a tapered steel body with a ball finial. WIth the No4T there are still a couple of ways to do this - long length of either sling forward or rearward - depending on your stature and preference for adjustment. There is no US PROPERTY stamped into the top angle of the receiver as well. Moncton, N.B. Popularly known as the "Victory Plastics" scabbard, it was unique in design compared to all other No. 5 Mk 1, unofficially nicknamed "Jungle Carbine.". My thought is its a Savage No4 Mk1* lend lease made in 1942, It has the ( S ) markings and machine marks, The receiver, barrel . I'll shoot some pictures of mine this weekend if you want. The rod of this example is marked S7, indicating manufacture by subcontractor Auto Engineering Ltd. of Croydon. Here's a picture of a maltby 1943 with a similar 'M' as yours, before the 1943: No. 4 Mk. If you are slightly less lucky you may have a rifle, scope and accessories that have been used and "improved" by private owners and tinkerers, Here is how to spot original features, errant ones and simple techniques to step towards your chosen rifle impression - original factory - war years service - post war British service and post war International service - organized by parts group: Wrist markings: I was talking with a fellow enthusiast about BSA Shirley using electro-penciled serial numbers in production and so took some photos to explore this: Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1945 No4T on the left and an "active service" No4T on the right that had its last service with India, other than the metal being painted with lumpy glossy black paint it is predominantly unchanged, On the left, the scopeless one exhibits all marks as freehand stamps through the blackened surface. It is probably a 2 groove barrel, most Savage No4`s were, but it shoots very well for what it was intended.Robert. 0000002767 00000 n I believe the number " 1 xxxx" means it was manufactured at Maltby. Founded in 1999. identification lists detailing by illustration, descriptive part name and part number, all parts of the Rifle, .303 Calibre, Lee Enfield, No 4, Mk 1 * and its associated equipment. Information on the scope as well would be appreicated. It is a bolt action repeating rifle with a 10 round box magazine and free floating barrel, and is chambered for the venerable Mk.VII ammunition in .303 caliber. On the left, the scopeless one exhibits all marks as freehand stamps under the blackened surface - except the serial which may be a light stamp or a very precise electro-pencil. Be sure to check out our gun classifieds where you can buy, sell or trade your gear. 1 Enfield rifle was adopted by the United Kingdom in 1941. Interesting feedback, here are all other markings that I can find. 4 bayonet evolved (or devolved), with each generation becoming more crude and cheaper to manufacture. The tab measures 4.75in. The labelling indicates that this No. Chambering is .303 British caliber, 7.7 x 56mm. starting with a 1) indicates it was manufactured by ROF Maltby in Yorkshire, England. 769 0 obj<> endobj 4 Mk. 4 Mk. by Steve Hoog 23 Mar 2012, 13:42, Post British No4 rifles were set up with a 5 digit serial number system with 1XXXX being allotted to Maltby, 2XXXX Fazakerley, 3XXXX BSA Shirley. Post These were the last No. Genuine early, When the war expedient models were produced (initially with the "L" flip sight, then those selected for conversion to T status had to have the rear sight replaced with a modified micrometer sight (H&H indicated this had been done by stamping the "S" on the front of the right receiver wall ( this happened to most, but not all!) The bolt heads are marked 0, 1, 2, or 3. The Lee Enfield by Ian Skennerton (2007) - ISBN: 9780949749826 . 2) A "F" on the flip-up brass disc on the butt plate 3) Four things that look like stars or asterisks on the bottom of the magazine. Another dimension is whether to use (or if it is fitted) to include the front trigger guard triangular sling swivel (included in the factory build from Nov 1944 onwards and added by armourers as found after). These were originated for the No4 rifle design by Singer Machine Co, hence they are often referred to as a "singer sight". long by 1.75in. 4 Mk. 4Mk. The new value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has risen $13.78 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $631.57 . There were basic diagrams and instructions in the various Sniping training pamphlets, however I wanted to add a little more description and variation (with photos. 1 various markings. 4 Mk. #6. be forewarned, Spike Fever is contagious! or Best Offer. Lot of 4 Vintage Tin Halloween Noisemakers. 4Mk. 2 mm. To ensure its the real deal and war period production, what should one look for? The latter will have an engraving on the flat side of the receiver which will read something like (taking one of my rifles as an example), F(FTR)49. Apr 25, 2010 #2 Threeband The M1 Does My Talking These come for the Lee-Enfield No.4 MK1. Approved in November 1939, along with the Lee-Enfield No. Prior to their creation a variety of WWI sniper rifles were in use. Armourers would not make a buttstock with S51 for spare parts. An example of a viewer's mark "75TZ" is pictured at left. Length: approximately 44 inches, Barrel Length: approximately 25 inches. II* its characteristic stepped join between blade and socket. Unfired and as clean and bright as the day it was born in the Fazakerley Royal Ordnance Factory in Liverpool in 1954. This condition remained until the end of the No4T life and the introduction of its replacement - the L42. Firing mechanism is Enfield pull cocker type, with left side serrated safety lever. The No 4, Mk I* Lee-Enfield: Introduction - YouTube 0:00 / 22:26 Introduction The No 4, Mk I* Lee-Enfield: Introduction britishmuzzleloaders 83.5K subscribers Subscribe 10K 598K views. Lee Enfield #4 MK1 - MARSTAR CANADA. 1, Mk III, I Have This Old Gun: British Lee-Enfield No. Markings: The left side of the stock collar is marked "14C2827 / S /1942" and with a flaming bomb proof. The frog measures 4.875in. %PDF-1.4 % History, development, service, specifications, pictures and 3D model. An increasing consensus is that this simply may be a viewer's mark, as this mark seems only to be found on Baird No. Entrenching tool with helve (handle) that accepts the No. When the number sequence reached 9999 the next letter assigned to the factory would be substituted in place of the former. 1 Enfield rifle was adopted by the United Kingdom in 1941. Our Price: 9.99: No4 Mk1 sight. Feb 9, 2020. About the rifles. The stocks of British manufactured examples are typically a naturally seasoned English walnut that has a moderately dark brown color and has a tight, straight grain. II* bayonets, Baird secured the spike to the socket using a steel pin. Maryland Shooters is the most active and largest Maryland gun community online. 4Mk. As interest in replacing the No. The markings were different for the different manufacturers and time periods, but they are all well documented in various books. 4 Mk. The bayonets are coated with mineral oil (grease), in a waxed "primary pack" paper wrapper. Many, but not all, maker and subcontractor marks are illustrated. When reference is made to an all matching SMLE the serial numbers must all be the same. Only 75,000 of this type were made. 4 bayonet is coated with PX4mineral oil (grease), in a green waxed "primary pack" wrapper. Seen in the picture above are the places where the serial number and manufacturer can be found. These were provided to Britain under the Lend-Lease Act. Enfield Rifle For Sale. ,DTvb5@ kg:v%A$6%#,6J,q]+9 V ,,mD$\"L3-p0$z2 cC+`i`,pIt jns;Nt=_e9AA r ^G? II* bayonets. You can build more Battery Ammo and .303 at the Chem bench. No. The markings in the other photos are not mentioned, except the '2' on the bolt head, which is its size (there being several sizes available to get the head space right). The following maker marks are pictured at left: This scabbard is pictured on page 133 of Graham Priests book, Spirit of the Pike - British Socket Bayonets of the 20th Century. According to the author, the example in my collection is still the only brass-throated scabbard reported. In practice and service, the size, position and shape of the cheekpiece was altered to suite the needs of the snipe that the rifle was designated for - these are an interesting study within themselves. These included ROF Fazakerley, BSA, and ROF Maltby. 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