Of course, it is best to refine your zero at distances greater than 10 yards. Could you run a 100 yard zero through your ballistic program and publish the drop? I use a 50yd zero for my scoped .223 has coyote rifle, using ammo in the 62gr-69gr range, because I get plenty of close shots. Zero at 36, POA = POI at 300. Thanks. So this zero drops quickly past 300 yards. Note: a 200 yard zero and a 50 yard zero are practically the same for these calibers. Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership Discuss anti-gun legislation Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses Discover free outdoor shooting areas The AR I have the red dot on is mostly just for home defense and a truck gun. Just a fraction of an inch, but I believe 10 yards strikes a useful balance. If you want to be accurate out to 500 yards, 3 inches high would be even better. The table below will include drop data using a 50 yard zero, a 200 yard zero, and 100 yard zero for comparison. It works but i went back to a 50 yard. Lets just say Im going to use the same numbers as the 10.5 barrel. Live The Armory Life. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.ea0ac1df4e6491a16d39_.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} One shows it compared to a 100 yard zero and the other shows it compared to different rounds. And the process begins all over. Cons: Lots of hold under to remember out to 300 yards. Here's the most impressive thing: The average drop along the whole trajectory out to 300 yards is lowest (-1.36"), and the median average is also the lowest at -.41 inches. To me, the 36 yard zero makes things about as simple as they can get for a multi-purpose rifle that could be used for range, home defense or duty use. Cons: None out to 200 yards. UPDATE: If you want to save even more time on the range, consider using this target for bore sighting at home. 50 yards is 1/2 inch high, 150 yards 1.5 high. No worries! Reply Quote. In the offset mount do you do a offset zero since it isnt directly over bore? Also works for 308 as my SR25 has a Trijicon RMR in a 45 degree offset mount. However there are many who know a lot more than me. A solid option for shooting a short-barreled 223/5.56 to 200 yards. You should always check your zero at the actual zero distance when possible but this will get you close. I highly recommend that you review Frank Proctors video on this zeroing method and my brief comments on how it worked for me before attempting it. The bottom dot on the 0:0 axis is where the bullet would hit if you were aiming at a target 25 yards away with a 36yd zero which is approximately -.72 below your point of aim. As always, make sure to calculate the differences in clicks in your optics for the shorter range. The 12-yard zero is represented by the red arc. Next trip to the range I will be checking this out using M80 Ball. I have been putting it to good use. The black represents your point of aim. Easy. Aim at the waist and you will hit the chest. It is a clean design that is easy to see even at 200 yards with a 20x scope. For better or worse, the 36 yard zero is basically a hybrid that flattens out the St. Louis Arch of a trajectory the 25 yard zero creates while still providing a decent maximum range. In contrast, I also tested a 200 yard zero, which resulted in a -0.6 mil hold under at this same stretch of 60 yards to 120 yards. I prefer to check the zero at 50 yards quickly and then check again at 200 on a new target when possible. Its also not his fault that that is how the APP is designed, would you have preferred him contacting the app designer to have him change the coding on the app just so Johnny can read it? The only reason I would like to have less complicated hold over math is for when I'm out shooting for practice and up in the mountains roaming around. From plate carriers, to holsters, to tac-lights to hard shells Having spent time in a lot of environments and with the opportunity to field a lot of equipment, I have grown fond of well made gear. 25 Yard Zero - I don't care at all for sighting in at 25 yards. More posts from r/ar15 272K subscribers RefrigeratorGold8291 6 days ago Treated myself after getting my Green Card, it ain't much but it's mine and I love it! By If you only have 25 meter/yard lanes, just do the math for the offset. My advice is to get a ballistic calculator and put in your specific data because there are all sorts of things that will affect the results. Kurt Warner. 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If everything goes well with your initial work at 10 yards, you can then use the black dot to check your zero at 50 or 200 yards since it should be relatively free of impacts. articles and videos are considered to be suggestions and not recommendations from Springfield Armory. To understand this, let's look at a trajectory that is considered "flat." How about thanking this man for putting this out you prick. How does all that equate to a person shooting 2 to 3 MOA accuracy since this is a battle zero we are talking about? @keyframes _1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT{0%{opacity:0}to{opacity:1}}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc{--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left:0px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;padding:3px 9px;position:absolute;border-radius:4px;margin-top:-6px;background:#000;color:#fff;animation:_1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT .5s step-end;z-index:100;white-space:pre-wrap}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc:after{content:"";position:absolute;top:100%;left:calc(50% - 4px - var(--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left));width:0;height:0;border-top:3px solid #000;border-left:4px solid transparent;border-right:4px solid transparent}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd{margin-top:6px}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after{border-bottom:3px solid #000;border-top:none;bottom:100%;top:auto} Repeated trips walking up and down the range and hopefully you are at least on paper for your first group Well, Frank Proctor, from Way of the Gun, and Jerking the Trigger have come up with a great target. Thank you all for your suggestions and input . Sometimes it may do better, sometimes worse. The gray dot is 1.9 below your point of aim (POA) and represents your point of impact (POI). The overlaid circles in the included illustrations help to visualize what that 3 MOA extreme spread translates to on a target at a given distance to get beyond arbitrary ballistic figures. Your data will put me in the ballpark. Up to me to do the shooting and fiddle-out the results. I should also note that this is somewhat dependent on the height of your optic. All rights reserved. The 25/36 yard options are better suited for home/self defense. What ballistics calculator app are the screenshots from? Looks more like that. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! I'll take it. GET OUT AND SHOOT! keep in mind the AR and the 223/5.56 round is designed for fat engagement. Especially with a 7.5 Just about any self defense situation is gonna be well within that range anyway. Pros: Will get you out to 300 yards. By 200 yards you're already needing to compensate for bullet drop. Rifle Specs: M6A2 PSD 8.5 in bbl. views and opinions of Springfield Armory. I was recently reading about the 36 yard zero and would like to try it out. I do them at 75 yards but then I don't shoot enough to speak much on this . You should zero at 30 yards, and then you can shoot out to 220 yards. With a zero of 100 yards the .223/5.56 round will impact approx 3/4 low at 50 yards and around 2.25 low at 200 yards. I prefer to zero at 36 yards, for the reasons provided in the video above. Paul Howe has a similar method, but his is to start at 7 yards and its good out to 300. it depends on how high your sights are above the bore if using stock ka2 (carry handle ) this will be zero somewhere around 300. What do you recommend as best Best zero distance for a 22 barrel? Should I just go with a 50 yard zero since it is a a tighter holdat ranges? At 25 yards, groups should be .3 inches (less than or just over ") high w/ rear sight set on "3". If this proves to be accurate this would be very close to the 36 yard zero for the 5.56 round. That means from 0-100 yards you only need to be concerned with your height over bore when shooting a target. That brings me to these two options, which Id like to talk about together because theyre pretty similar and do well to exploit the advantages of a practical carbine. 300 yards is great for longer barrels. Mar 8, 2017. Not really sure how to zero this in, Johnny, its not his fault that you are old. Pull a new AR out of the case, peer through some sights, and one of the first questions will invariably be What distance should I zero this stuff at? I could easily regale you with ballistic charts and simply say that at x distance youll be y inches high and thats why its better than z, but that would be a little disingenuous. 110 TSX 19.8 inches low at 300 yards with a 36 yard zero. The Army worked with this over 10 years ago when they played with the CAT-C(AWG) program for marksmanship. To print the target, click the last link and be sure to follow the instructions on printing. Looks like a convincing argument for a 36 yard zero for red dot carbines and some LPVO. So long as I accounted for my height over bore, they both worked about the same. I maped them all out on a big piece of paper. What is the POI at 100 yards with a 50/200 zero? Two minutes and a ballistic calculator will show you this zero creates an arching trajectory that rises about 9 above the line of sight at 200 yards. The near/far zero concept (25/300, 50/200, and now 10/50/200) is more like an improved field boresight with live fire than an actual zeroing method. Your largest holds are 4ish inches under at 175 yards and 3ish inches over at 300 yards. I'm guessing that distance doesn't work for my AR10 due to the different ballistic factors. I have used the method so much that I created a target for my own use to support the process. Ideal for a scoped AR15 that you plan on dialing in at any distance. .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{vertical-align:middle}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} Keep in mind that, at 100 yards, your point of impact will be above the black dot if your point of aim is the black dot. The right target is a conventional bullseye with a 1 X-ring for 100-yard shooting. I've been trying to figure out the best zero I should use for my red dot. 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